I'm really not happy they're not releasing the T3 destroyers at the same time. I think it was a very spiteful decision on CCP's part.

You have a quote that each destroyer has to wait for a whole release? There's no reason why they couldn't add those in a smaller patch.

Unless they plan on releasing all three of the other destroyers in the next update, it means that Minmatar pilots will have to wait six weeks, Caldari pilots twelve and Gallente pilots eighteen weeks after the Rhea release to get their hands on the destroyers which should damn well have been released on the same day.

Like I said, downright spiteful behaviour by CCP.

More ships should come out in this fashion, it was nice to feel like the players had a hand in the research and development of the ship.

I'm considering the possibility that you're trolling at this point. Of all the ways in which people could influence an outcome that matters in EVE Online, you're praising one that's by nature exclusioanry to three out of four factions? There are far better ways in which CCP could allow participation and direction of EVE's storyline, and in fact, a lot of us are upset because CCP has apparently abandoned them.


Oh, right, you are trolling, because you cannot seriously be comparing ORE ships to ships produced by the main factions. ORE ships are by nature different to the four factions in that they fill a niche that given their nature as a nonviolent industrial corporation cannot be filled by any of the four empires who are far more concerned with military matters. The release of an ORE ship leaves no counterbalancing niche left unfilled because ORE ships do not have a competing faction. The empires have at best one and at worst three competing factions. Leaving a tactical niche unfilled is an awful idea, and doing it on purpose is a direct "screw you" to players.

And yes, I would still be making this sort of complaint if someone else had won. It doesn't matter who wins and who doesn't - it's a terrible idea and a direct insult to players.

We already have factional warfare, Incursions and live events - oh wait, those are all mechanics CCP have abandoned.

That's funny. I've never seen you in a thread relating to overhauling broken Factional Warfare or Incursion mechanics or campaigning for the reintroduction of live events.

Funny you should say that because Incursions haven't been touched, Factional Warfare is still broken, with corporations and alliances leaving Factional Warfare - a game mechanic literally designed around creating easily accessible PvP involving many different sizes of ship - because they can't get enough PvP in the ship sizes they're interested in flying and Live Events are dead in the water.

So you're advocating that EVE - a game supposedly about "risk vs. reward" - should have absolutely no reward for the risks one takes when running a plex? That there should be no reward for the investment of time and risk taken to capture a system? That there should essentially be no reward for engaging in factional warfare? And you're telling me I'm the one who has his priorities screwed up?


Then campaign to get more events that are better designed and more open to large amounts of players.


Sovereignty changes have been made far more recently than any major changes to Incursions, Factional Warfare or Live Events. Sovereignty really doesn't affect as many players as incursions, FW and live events do.

You know instead of me screaming "bonus the ship" could we do some tests on it. I want to figure out just how difficult it would be to probe out some of these frigates in both thera and kspace in this boat. Without implants.

Nothing's unprobeable, but what you would need to probe some of this stuff isn't practical. This is nothing against dedicated probers, just more curious about unboused combat fit probing ships.


I'll try and test this with sole mobile depots and some abandoned frigates the next two days. Yea I could run the numbers but sometimes actual application matters more than statistical potential. If I'm wrong and I can wis around probing out frigates in these new frig holes, fantastic.